The Olde English Dart League of Philadelphia

I apologize sincerely to all league members,but more directly to any who may have lingered at the bar long after the meeting. I had a personal conflict ,not dart related, but allowed myself to digress as a person and lost my temper. As a league member ,but more importantly a board member, I have tried to set a good example and be a good example both in word and in action. Monday night I ended up accomplishing neither,and am thorougly disappointed in my own behavior. I am only human,and being so, make mistakes from time to time. For this I humbly request your forgiveness,understanding,and consideration in the days to come.

Personally my experience with you has been aces. You have been helpful/insightful/and had an open ear when my div 13 team cried foul. Obviously mistakes are made, but it is Lent all about love, forgiveness, and reflection. I think I read that somewhere. The very fact that you had enough sense to address this issue to the league, as opposed to the 50 different stories I've heard shows that you are a good board member. period.

Dan,it takes a big person to realize they're wrong,but it takes a bigger person to actually admit it and apologize. So kudos for that.I agree with the above statement,in my experiences with u you've been nothing less than a gentleman-very polite,well spoken,respectful,and the girls seem to love ya.but I'm proud to have you as our pres and think ur a huge asset to this league, and not a bad shooter either lol

Dan, I think you are now showing what kinda person and man you are by the statements you have made. I have learned a great deal from you since you brought me in this league. I feel you have been a great asset to me as a dart shooter and to the growth of the league. Divisions have grown and the league has been thriving since I started. I expect for the sake of OEDL that you will be able to continue to bring what you have to this league.
Jim

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. And Dan Cassidy has.

Dan Cassidy has been an important voice and leader to the O.E.D.L.; he is the central cogwheel in our league machine. I hope the deciding board reads these letters of support and reinstates Dan’s O.E.D.L. membership. The board must understand that alcohol consumption is commonplace during league competition. Altercations are bound to happen.

During Dan’s two-year leadership, he has consistently displayed sportsmanlike conduct. I ask the board to take into consideration Dan’s entire time in the league, specifically as president, not just this one isolated incident.

Dan was wrong. He has apologized. I, a teammate of Dan’s, have forgiven him. At this point, the only ones suffering from Dan’s minor transgression are the league members.

I can't add anything relevant to the previous posts but I do believe most of the previous posts were dead on. He has apologized and if you know Dan you know that it is a SINCERE apology. Let's move past this in the best way we can and get back all of our focus on what's important to all of us....... darts. Hope the right thing is done and I'm competing against Dan in week 6.

-Chris Brinkman, Stonehouse 1

Dan Cassidy, It take a man to stand up for what he believes in, but it is a sincere man for whom you are to say that you made a mistake. I'm sure this was not the first or the last time something like this has happened. In just 4 years knowing Dan Cassidy, it has always been about growing the league. To the OEDL BoD I as a member ask you ,to reinstate Dan Cassidy back into the OEDL.




John Griffith
SATURNALIAN NYA

Having known both parties in the incident I think it is real unfortunate what happened. With that being said I do respect Dan publicly apologizing for what transpired. I think that everyone should get a second chance if they make a sincere attempt to make amends. I think Dan should have that opportunity.

Ron Reed

As others have alreeady noted, Dan has been a positive voice with a friendly ear in the OEDL since becoming a member and more so since becoming President. The incident that occurred on Monday was unfortunate, but forgiveable. From a selfish point of view, I hope the league will show some tolerance because Dan is a big part of our team's success and a great teammate, who offers a lot of support and gamesmanship. From a league perspective, removing Dan is a mistake because of the solid values and support he provides to any and all who approach him. I would hate to see one negative incident erase several positve years of upstanding membership and leadership.

Walt, John, Ron, Jim, Chris, Billy and all other very respected members of the OEDL. All of Danny's positives were taken into consideration to keep him eligible to throw darts this year for Shamrock's and in the playoffs. Yes Dan deserves a second chance and he was given one on Thursday Night at an OEDL emergency Board Meeting. Dan should have received a registered letter in the mail detailing under what conditions he must abide by to continue throwing darts in the OEDL.

It took over three hours to bring every point and counterpoint to consider keeping Danny in this league. I argued on his behalf for the entire session to come up with a resolution that was fair to everyone involved in this regrettable incident.

Julian

I agree with billy and walt regarding Dan's character. I've seen him be especially encouraging to the lower division shooters. I dont know and dont care to know the particulars of this event - I do know I vehemently oppose anything resembling violence when it comes to darts or any game and dont believe that behavior should be tolerated or expecteed just because there is alcohol and most members are men. While I've not heard anything official that he is kicked out of the leagues as of now, that seems to be the sentiment on these messages. I've known and gotten along with Dan and I'd like to think I've gotten along with pretty much everyone I've met in darts. As i said above, the behaviors insinuated on this board should not be brushed to the side, but I don't think this is someone that needs to be expelled. Probation, yes, but not expelled. Just 1 opinion.

eric

I'm not aware of the specifics of the letter referenced by Julian but I can only hope that whatever has been decided on Thursday considers not just this one incident, but Dan's entire track record over a number of years in OEDL....which from my perspective has been overwhelmingly positive.

RobW

First off let me start off by saying this is a great league. This being my 5th year as an OEDL member I can say there are many fantastic people I met of all different back rounds and neighborhoods. One of the many people I’ve had the pleasure of coming across is Dan Cassidy and his brothers. I’ve seen this league grow in many ways over the last 5 years in strength in numbers (membership), youth participation, and more open minded Board. All 3 of these qualities that I mentioned were in big part to Dan Cassidy. People are not perfect, we all make mistakes. My opinion is Dan Cassidy should be given a 2nd chance!

Ryan Brennan
Division 3

All the messages above are the testament of Dan's positive influence to OEDL and I couldn't agree more.
As a fairly new member of the league, my experience with Dan has always been delightful. His passion for darts and OEDL has been felt at every event that I attended and his support for the new members has been tremendously encouraging. During the matches, he has demonstrated respect and sportsmanship to other players. I am disheartened to hear of what happened; however, we shall practice more forgiveness than punishment when someone admits his imperfection with a heartfelt apology.
I am relieved to read Julian's message to keep Dan in the league because losing such a devoted board member would be detrimental to the growth and prosperity of the league.

Jae Hoon L.
Mac's Tavern

I have to agree with just about everything that was already said here. Dan knows he messed up, he's addressed the issues, and apologized which I believe shows strong character. It doesn't make what happened ok, but we've all screwed up. Hopefully the board will come up with a resolution that is satisfactory to all parties involved.

I haven't been in this league for long but had a chance to get to know Dan and shoot with him as my captain in the O'Neals summer league. He was always very calm, collected, encouraging, and supportive of his teammates. He also demonstrated good sportsmanship in every match. It would be a pleasure to get a chance to shoot with him again. He's a great shooter and anyone who knows him also knows how much he cares about darts and the OEDL. He has a lot to offer this league and I hope to see him continue to help push the league to new levels.


Rob Foglio
SATS

I really cannot add anything to the already glowing remarks that Dan has received above. Dan is one hell of a shooter, and in my experience, one hell of a person. I understand that a mistake was made, but Dan was man enough to admit his mistake and apologize for it.

We all know that we have been in similar situations in our lives and we have made bad choices. It seems that Dan has realized the error of his ways and is remorseful. I think that removing Dan from this league would be a huge loss.

Per Julian's post below. It appears that he may have been reinstated. This is good news and I think the OEDL board will be better in the long run because of this decision. I am hopeful that everyone involved can resolve their differences and move on.

Dan's good for the league. Spoonie's good for the league. I share Eric's stance on violence, but it still takes two people to fight.

That's fantastic that Dan still gets to throw darts, but what about running for the Board? It would be great to still see his name on the ballot in June. Have there been any decisions regarding that? Are there any other decisions the Board has made - or has yet to make - about this situation?

So true Lauren it does take two to fight.

I just found out that this incident happened hours after the league meeting was over, and found out the exact details of what conspired before the incident. My feelings are simple… why is Dan the only member being punished? Dan should not only be reinstated in the league, but reinstated as president. If this don’t happen there will be serious questions or conspiracy. Is there a hearing, if so I think the league Captains should decide their fate.
This whole situation is messed up and should have been handled that night.

"Up is down, black is white"- Eddie Dane, Miller's Crossing

Ladies and Gentlemen can’t we all just get along? I am not sure what transpired, but we are all adults here. The only one that suffers is the league. Let’s put our differences aside reinstate Dan and move on. Dan has already apologized for his actions. Like everybody else here I have nothing but nice things to say about Dan.

Thanks!

Nick Division 1 Stonehouse

Ladies and Gentlemen, last Thursday Night at an Emergency Board Hearing, Dan Cassidy was voted off the Board 7-0 with one abstention. Bill Moriarty was not present either was Danny. Two subsequent votes to expell and or to suspend Danny from the League were voted down by the Board Members that were not involved in the incident, or throw in his division, Division 1.

Spoonie, with help from Elvis came up with a compromise to move this sad issue along. Highlights of the compromise; Danny can't shoot darts in week 5, 6(allstar shoot), and week ten when Shamrocks throws at O'Neils, and cannot attend The Banquet at the end of the dart year.

Currently, Danny is flagged from going in O'Neils. As of yesterday, I heard from Elvis that Spoonie will actually let Dan throw in week ten if it has a detriment on Division 1 playoffs.

Since Danny was kicked off the Board, he is automatically not allowed to run for the Board for two years after his current term was to expire.

Dan can throw in the playoffs once he is playoff eligible.

Dan Cassidy has the right to appeal part and or all of these decisions, the ball is in his court.

Julian

Thanks for the updates Julian.

Bryan Healy
Mac's Tavern
Division 1

Julian
Something smells fishy.
Who are on the board and what are the affiliations to the affected party?
If any are affiliated the vote is invalid.
I still don’t understand the boards legal position? This fight happened hours after league time. Does not make sense!!! So if I get in a fight tonight with another member of the OEDL, you can kick me out of the league?
And how about the instigation issue? Has that been addressed by the board?
Stop the nonsense you can’t kick him out. Sounds like people had it in for him. Like him or not he promotes the sport and that’s what it’s about.

I'd like to think I represent the majority when I say "I don't care". This will not affect "the league as whole" when it comes to the shooters themselves. It certainly will affect the reputation of the league and what it strives to represent, but that seems secondary to most. I don't even think this is a league issue. This did not happen on league time, the meeting was well over before the incident took place. I understand the feelings of the board members, one of their own was assaulted, and they may have let their emotions affect their decision. To vote that night was probably ill advised, maybe they should have let a day or two pass then addressed it. I don't even know if a vote was necessary, it is really a "legal" issue, not a "league" issue. It's obvious some board members and league members are divided on what to do, I say do nothing from a league perspective, let the parties involved handle it the way they choose. There have been other incidents among league members in the past, both in the OEDL and QCEDL, if they happened during a league function the league took action, if it was in a non league environment no action was taken, it was not in the league's jurisdiction. There have been many posts supporting one of the parties, let's not forget there was another party who has served this league for a long time who is also a victim. I don't support verbal or physical assaults, so let's put the focus back on the league and move on.

The only real details that seem to be known (to most) are that the actual physical altercation technically occurred after league business was over for that night. I really don't think anyone should have an opinion either way otherwise unless they know the actual details (ie the "it takes two to fight" rationale ), but that never has stopped people from having opinions before so I guess it won't now. I'll just say that I hope in the end (selfishly, as I like to see everyone get along) that at some point relatively soon I'll see both Dan and Spoonie shooting darts at the same event again and this thing becomes a distant memory and isn't repeated.

Funny, how Mike always gets negative points However, I agree with your message, Mike. I sincerely hope that we will all learn from this experience and prevent it from happening again. Dan and Spoonie are both respected members of the league and I would hate to see either one banned from contributing to the welfare of the organization. Dan, good luck. Spoonie, I hope you are feeling alright.

Jae Hoon L.

Hey Y'all

As Dan,Julian and all others should already know...

Dan has been suspended from all other DART PARTICIPATION until further notice...

As per the rules/regs he is entitled to the full extent of the appeals process.

If he declines an agreement (and that is what is rumoured) - There is no darts until this is resolved - period - as per the rule as stated. The OEDL procedure is in its process of follow-up - verification process.

Please honor his choice and let him explore his options and to have his day. This is a situation that needs to be cleared up for the betterment of all players/Shooters

Thank You George OEDL Div Dir

PS - let us all know who you all are so we can get your statement for the record - some on the post like to remain ananomous - that does not help anyone pro or con...

thanks again

George, this should not of gotten this far! Let me explain something to you and all you board members who voted against Dan your actions are suspect.

The definition in the by-laws states something to the affect about altercations being“in Venue”. Here is the definition of a Venue.
1)ven•ue/ˈvenˌyo͞o/
Noun: The place where something happens, esp. an organized event such as a concert, conference, or sports event.




A place where SOMETHING HAPPENS, that something in this case is the meeting, if nothing happens or is happening then the Venue is over. After the meeting the Venue is no existent and should be deemed as over. After the meeting the Venue changes to just a Bar.
This whole thing is ridiculous and seems like a lynch mob.

Hypothetical: Last night Walt and I got into an altercation at Shamrock. All out fist fight, because we shot darts there last week I think we should be kicked out of the league? Right??? Right?? Answer me!!!!

The answer is NO because the Venue was over. If you want to change the by-laws and put a time frame on the word Venue,then do it, but for now re-instated Dan NOW.

Bill well said.



Jim W

To futher comment on Julian's post:

Dan may appeal the BOD's ruling of suspension only. If he chooses to appeal,it will be heard by the highest remaining BOD officer(not involved in the incident) and 7 neutral captains,which will be chosen at random by lot. According to the NO VOTE PROVISO no BOD member who is in the same division(DIV 1) or from the venue(O'Neals Pub) voted to suspend Dan. That being the case I guess the other BOD memberes felt that this altercation was a serious offense which warranted a suspension. The appeals process and No Vote Proviso can be found in the Constitution and Bylaws in the document section of this website.

The venue of the incident was O'Neals Pub. The event was the General Membership Meeting. To say that this is not dart related is just not true since the argument started over BOD proceedures. After speaking to witnesses I would have been inclined to find them both wrong if there had been an actual fight. I define a fight as a physical altercation between 2 or more people. They were arguing and Dan was asked to leave. Spoonie then left the area where Dan was. After an hour and a half Dan reengaged with Spoonie causing Spoonie to ask Dan to leave again. It was after this that Spoonie was hit by Dan from BEHIND. This is not a fight it is a physical assault.

I hope this clears some things up for people.

Sorry Bo this is BS. So if I told you my hypothetical fight last night at shamrock was about darts, you can kick me out?

Oh an FYI there are 2 types of abuse, physical and mental. Arguing and name calling is just as bad as throwing a punch, it was a fight between the two.
The meeting was over the venue is over as soon as the meeting is. O’Neils becomes just a bar to the league after a meeting of event.


since i like coping the dictionary here is the deffinition of fight. Look at #2

fight (ft)
v. fought (fôt), fight·ing, fights
v.intr.
1.
a. To attempt to harm or gain power over an adversary by blows or with weapons.
b. Sports To engage in boxing or wrestling.
2. To engage in a quarrel; argue: They are always fighting about money.
3. To strive vigorously and resolutely: fought against graft; fighting for her rights.
v.tr.
1.

oh and Bo one more thing, how do you get a fat lip from getting hit from BEHIND?
I'm sorry but this whole thing sounds weird.

I did not want to respond to any posts until after my hearing,but in light of a most recent and blatantly incorrect post,i feel i must to an extent to prevent propogation of misinformation from a bias source. all injury incurred in this icident was localized to the mouth area which is in FRONT of the face. also the other involed fell onto his BACK. if one strikes another from the behind they fall foward onto their stomach,that isnt what happened so this account is untrue and physically impossible . Physical evidence will always trump the diluted recollection of intoxicated people with conflicts of interest.

I have,do,and will until my last breath vehemently defend any member of my immediate family,especially so in their absence.and when a highly disrespectful,inappropriate, uncalled for and unecessary verbal attack was made on mre than one of them, i lost my cool. period.

But i do thank bo for once again reitterating and reafirming that this incident occurred hours after the conclusion of any league business or league sponsored event. and i thank him for personally attesting to the fact that i was asked to leave the bar twice,which is only partly true because in actuallity i was threatened twice to be "thrown out" of the bar and once to be "flagged". These actions that i was threatened with sound very much like the actions can only be taken by a bar owner towards a patron in his establishment, but not at all within the jurisdiction of the bod or the oedl at all.

Every step taken by the bod in the last 8 days are a disgrace to this league its members and darts in general,and insults our intelligence collectively.From illegal meetings, to lack of contact with all parties involved,to absolute disregard for procedural process and application. not to mention direct and intentional disregard for the very constitution of our grat league. read it. it speaks for itself.

This unfortunate incident has brought to a new light the innumerable conflicts of interest of bod members and officers that have long plagued the fair and just adjudication of league decisions and action,or inaction when beneficial.i am personally responsible for the right to vote in an election of league officials at the annual banquet. after i was in the league for 2 years and had never cast a vote at either previous banquet i had attended, i adressed the then bod with my concern with this and when i asked them when the last time an election was actually held, none could answer because they werent sure. we had an election that year and i was elected, but my unappreciated inquiry was far from forgotten. but my resume speaks for itself and league improvement under my watch has soared,and thats even in spite of continual attemps of political assassination, and a constant uphill battle to fix the inadequacies of the bod. just trying to teach old dogs new tricks, which i think they btter learn if they want to remain relevant in a league recently infused with lots of new blood and lots of new dogs with all their new tricks.

Bill,
This is totally ridiculous. So I get into an arguement during the last game of a match. The altercation happens after the score sheets are signed. That means it didn't happen at a league function? Or the same thing happens right before the first game. I am not at a league function?

Ski
Darkside

oh and another thing, it took me three separate atempts to post a defense of my person, the first two were erased completely when i attempted to submit them because of a code error?? Ive posted over a hundred threads on this forum over the last 4 years and have never ever incurred such a problem.i saved the last one as a file, just in case it happened again, and im sure glad i did because the post was denied again but i just copy and pasted and it finally went through. Also over the course of the last few days, i have been contacted by numerous fellow league members who reported all types of difficulties in using this site, ranging from not being able to register a new account, logging into an existing one , and difficulty submitting posts on the forum. If all of the previous anomolies are purely coincidental, so be it. weird, but so be it. if on the other hand, if any member who has administrative access , to say, moderate, post or change permenant info, edit existing league info, had absolutely any thing to do with any of these very peculiar circumstances, it will be they who will be thrown out of this league and blackballed from darts,regardless of whether or not im reinstated.

Dan,
If you read posts from a minimum of 7 days ago, people have had trouble with the site.

Ski

To the OEDL BOD and General Membership:

Effective immediately I will be resigning from the Board of Directors.


John Bo Marroletti

Yes, Ski the definition needs clarity

I make a motion we change the name of the league to the Olde English Drama League.

Bill, arguing is just as bad as throwing a punch? Say what?? What kind of logic is that? Hey everyone, next time you argue with your wife why not just punch her instead? It's clearly the same apparently!

Also, in this case, clearly the word "fight" means a physical altercation. So if everyone can please dispense with the ridiculous dictionary definitions that serve no purpose it'd be great.

if this board had moderators we wouldn't of had "gold seller spam" a few months ago
http://www.oedl.net/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=30& func=view&id=2009&catid=12

Achilles33 wrote:

QUOTE:
oh and another thing, it took me three separate atempts to post a defense of my person, the first two were erased completely when i attempted to submit them because of a code error?? Ive posted over a hundred threads on this forum over the last 4 years and have never ever incurred such a problem.i saved the last one as a file, just in case it happened again, and im sure glad i did because the post was denied again but i just copy and pasted and it finally went through. Also over the course of the last few days, i have been contacted by numerous fellow league members who reported all types of difficulties in using this site, ranging from not being able to register a new account, logging into an existing one , and difficulty submitting posts on the forum. If all of the previous anomolies are purely coincidental, so be it. weird, but so be it. if on the other hand, if any member who has administrative access , to say, moderate, post or change permenant info, edit existing league info, had absolutely any thing to do with any of these very peculiar circumstances, it will be they who will be thrown out of this league and blackballed from darts,regardless of whether or not im reinstated.

I am no longer a member of oedl. but I still promote your league in every way I can. it is a great league.
there are a lot of great points. I in no way agree with fighting. but sometimes instigating is just as bad.
Mike C... I don't think Bill is saying arguing is the same as fighting. but using your own example with the wife
isn't mental abuse the same as physical abuse?
by the letter of the rule.. Bill is right, this occurred after the meeting so "technically" it should be a non issue, with that said, I agree with Bo and say that is ridiculous! as the V.P. of qcedl we are looking at this incident and looking into changing the wording of our rule to add before and after league events there will be no fighting.
in my opinion if in the end you punish Dan.. I can not see how Spoonie doesn't get punished? and remember it's not his 1st incident.
Spoon just last year got into a fight outside his own bar and nothing was done because "darts was over"

well I hope it works out, for the leagues sake. good Luck ... Timmy O

For those of you who requested I post the letter I recieved from the BOD.
I put it in an attached file. For those of you who could care less, please disregard.

Where can I find the attached file?

This is the letter that I sent in the mail to the BOD on Friday, and emailed to each of them earlier today.

Dear OEDL,
I have received the letter sent to me and I do not accept the validity of it in any way, nor do I accept any action or, in this case, wrongful acts taken by the BOD regarding this matter, beginning Monday, February 20, 2011, and existing to present date, to be valid either. They, being invalid, are so due from inception being out of league jurisdiction to begin with and so the bad fruit from the bad tree theory holds true. Established as invalid, those actions were also procedurally incorrect at meetings held illegally without my reception of notice of a meeting, nor to what agenda it was held, as I have never received a notice of a meeting with the prepared agenda as to its purpose ever in my existence as a member of this Board. Wrongful actions were taken against me without my testimony on my behalf and without my physical presence at those illegal meetings. These wrongful acts will be more completely discussed before the conclusion of this unfortunate situation that has been fueled by use of information from sources of bias.
I will accept, though, the unwritten and unnamed suggestion of the BOD that a hearing/special meeting take place before a jury of my peers, numbering in seven, and randomly chosen from a bank of neutral captains in good standing with the league. I completely assert that I will be there is person, at the drawing of the aforementioned lottery of captains, so as to disallow any further impropriety on behalf of the addressees of the letter I received, and the one I am currently in response to, especially since many past acts by the BOD in my absence have been less than above board, legal, or even fair after which time, I expect a more timely response than I have first received.
I am very disappointed that such disciplinary suggestions had been made concerning me, mostly because this a first-time infraction of any anything that could be deemed inappropriate, as compared to my antagonist who has a lengthy rap sheet of both verbal, physical, and emotional abusive actions which will be elaborated on at a later date and more appropriate venue. My many, many, many accomplishments in the sport of darts in as short a time as I’ve been a member of this organization are too many to list, but will also be elaborated on further in their proper context to my situation. Accomplishments are great, trophies and plaques don’t suck either; but the biggest award I received playing darts is simply the respect and admiration of my peers.It’s priceless and is very difficult to attain, but, paradoxically, extremely easy to lose, to whatever degree that entails. My peers have and will show solidarity with me against tyranny in any capacity, as has been evidenced, and will continue to be evidenced, until the just and righteous adjudication and rescindment of the illegal and defamatory motions, actions, and sanctions against me be lifted.
As a player of darts, I have approached the game with the prevailing attitude of good sportsmanship and social camaraderie, wherever I shot, with whom I ever shot against or amongst, especially in league-sanctioned play or other OEDL affiliate events. A lot of this I learned from, and was groomed by my old Dell’s Team, which consisted of QCEDL executive officers (presidents, vice-presidents ,treasurers)and captained by a tournament director who runs the biggest event in Pa. , as well as my teammates on my QCEDL team, most influential one was Ray Fischer. This also took place from my peers at summer leagues at different OEDL sponsored bars I’ve participated in , and mostly won ,and took home most of the awards given. More than any other board member, I have succeeded in the foundation of relationships with many, many, to name a few, Windy City Darts President, Clarksburg, West VA President, Southern Tier Darts Director, a husband/wife co-presidency at the Cleveland Darters’ Club, SPAD, Greater Lowell Dart League, WOPASL, WOPBDL, OCEDL, ASL, ADO, Major League Darts Directors, as well as connections to numerous American Dart Leagues, as well as Electronic Dart Leagues, in an out of the metropolitan area of Philadelphia. Not one of you bring this to the table, except me, and you attempt to discard its worth and relevance.
The main thing of any of our affiliation with each other is to actually “shoot” darts and I have never taken that crux of the situation out of any shooter’s hand, either intentionally or unintentionally. The same cannot be said of this current BOD, even after precedence have been set by your president, on how things are to be adjudicated concerning disciplinary actions by a BOD, at all costs – let the men shoot their darts, if they didn’t at all, we as an organization would not exist. This BOD has acted in a most prejudicial manner, not only to me but to the OEDL as a whole concerning order and discipline and fairness.
As the president, I was to be looked to for leadership, but how can one legitimately expect that when he is dealing with a trove of blinded or partially blinded constituents that either can’t see or not well enough, certainly my involvement was never allowed to be used in a positive way concerning the OEDL, happening quite systematically to the detriment of the league. As the president, I have tried with all my heart to strengthen the transparency governing our accountability to the members of the league of which we represent, and in accomplishing what is beneficial to the community and organization as a whole. This valiant and chivalrous attempt to right this ship of league officials, as its captain, has been met incessantly time and time again only with “wrongful acts” aimed at my person in a less than transparent, and, in many ways, quite conspiratorial manner.
For those whom it may concern, or are confused, a wrongful act in the parameters of the conduction of business of a non-profit organization is typically defined as any actual or alleged (because not everybody tells the truth), breach of duty, neglect, error, misstatement, misleading statements, act, or omission by an insured person, that’s us, in his or her capacity as an officer of this league, that is also duly insured. I, unlike the majority of BOD members, have been steadfast in my fiduciary responsibilities to our great league and its members, especially in my duty to show care for and loyalty to each of you (BOD); but, more importantly, to every last member of our organization(General Membership).
Every action I have made concerning this league was done so in a manner that I reasonably believed to be in the best interest of the aforementioned congregation of our membership. It was because of this endearment to them, and some of you, it was in my position to enact it as a decision maker and highest ranking board officer and league official, which is always the president, chairman are not only unnecessary but don’t hold as much power and authority as has mistakenly been bestowed upon our current chairman by you, the rest of the Board of Directors, both past and present.
On the night of this incident, about three hours before things became physical, on the behalf of multiple league members of the general assembly who voiced their concern of why all official league wide attended business (Registration, Package Pick Up, General Membership Meetings, Banquets, etc.) occurs at only one of the many, many sponsors we are lucky enough to and should be grateful to have, I made the decision to make an executive inquiry, on their behalf into the investments and business dealings that they deemed inappropriate and were in anticipation of an answer on said complaint.
I explained to our Chairman, of the Board meetings, not league functions, after a meeting had been adjourned and all dart business had been completed for that session, firstly as a friend, but when met with extreme hostility, then as an agent for concerned parties in our constituency, and highest ranking officer, that I was not going to return to said constituency without a proper justification for his blatant actions, ones that are most publicly noticed by many, of conflicts of interest. I informed him that as board members, both he and I, must always perform our duties in good faith and with the best interest of the league in mind, and by that, meant that we must not seek to derive private gain from business transactions that involve our league and shouldn’t advance our own interests at the expense of the league’s funds. This was met with increased hostility and disdain, but I continued and informed him that acts of self-dealings constitute a breach of fiduciary duty that could possibly result in some personal liability, financially, to the entire league. I went on to inform him that he should’ve been more well versed in how non-profit organizations work as I showed him at the end of the summer (declining his offer to play for his O’Neal’s Div.1 team and refusing any money that may have been offered for doing so), that board members, especially office holding ones, should avoid, at all costs, conflicts of interest, or even the appearance of one more of them. He didn’t seem to care. I told him it is our duty to be open and honest with the general membership and to show them our financial records if he did indeed have nothing to hide from either them or me. He told me “good luck with that.” I then blatantly said “I’ll get the financial records myself” even though every single member in good standing shares this right with me and you – all alike, and show them myself, but that it would look worse if he didn’t do it himself. This shows what can happen when a board member of a non-profit organization holds the chairman position, required to schedule all meetings, time, PLACE, date, who also owns a bar that also happens to be a sponsor in our league, that it has caused a lot of league money to be misappropriated in generally one direction. Things got personal, and I probably should have listened to caring suggestions from others to leave it alone for then and there and pick it up another day. But when two or more of my immediate family members were disrespected for no good reason other than to instigate me to lose my temper, and it happened a second time after a warning to refrain from doing so was issued by me, I did not maintain my cool and lost it for but only a few regrettable seconds and for that I am sorry, but not for my actions on behalf of my moral constitution. And then I got courted by a kangaroo convention and here we are. But we didn’t have to get here, but I look forward to investigating and discussing the blatantly and intentionally ignored “other side of the story”, which should always be taken into consideration by any governing body before any actions, if any, are taken. That was not the case here, and I will explain fully to be best of my ability why I truly feel it was intentionally left out of the league proceedings due to the prejudice of all but about maybe two or three board members, which I will also go into further about while showing the innumerable conflicts of interest that are involved in this entire situation – top to bottom, left to right, start to eventual finish.
What I seek is a just and fair adjudication at the mercy of my peers. The truth shall set me free. I have a copy of our financial records dating back some time, and they will speak for themselves, as has already for me, my reputation, accomplishments, achievements, involvement, activity, improvements to this league, as well as its growth, leadership, and, last but not least, my testicular fortitude to do what’s right and in the best interest for this league at all times, even in the face of persecution for my unpopular but righteous journey in seeking the truth and then doing something about it. Win, lose, or draw, with or without me, this league will never be the same or be run the same, as it unfortunately has for far too long. If I never throw another single dart in the OEDL, which I greatly improved while an active player, I will, after the conclusion of this hearing, have given our shooters the greatest gift of all as an inactive shooter, THEIR league back, for good. You may take my darts but you will never take my freedom or extinguish that fire inside me that has forged me into a good shooter, but an even better person, with some backbone when it counts.
So, in conclusion, I anticipate your correspondence on this matter in a more timely fashion than which I received my first official league contact from the BOD or the letter that I am responding to that I received eight days after this unfortunate but illuminating and enlightening experience. I truly hope an amicable conclusion can be reached for all parties involved, even after you as a group tried to lynch me and slit my throat. I am a leader, always have been and always will be, in or outside of darts, and always look at the big picture; hopefully, some of you will learn to do the same.
Sincerely yours,

Daniel Cassidy, OEDL President

This league has been around for a long time and no one person is responsible for its success. A few years ago this league was down to 28 teams and it has now more than doubled in size since then. It's unfortunate that the board does not know how to deal with the issue you refer to. I for one have stated that this is not a league issue. Your constant mentioning of all that you do and have done for the OEDL begs me to ask, what have you done as an individual to improve the league ? How have you contributed to the league's growth ? What policies have you implemented to change the league for the better ? How many teams were in the league before you became a board member compared to the 58 that there are now ? Do you post standings, post statistics, help set up for all star and banquet shoots, attened meeting regularly and on time ? I agree that Spoonie is no choirboy, but your not either. In the end this dispute is between you and Spoonie, and you both contributed to the situation, work it out as individuals or legally and put it to rest, but leave the league out of it. Is the board perfect ? No, but for God's sake this is a dart league, in the big picture it doesn't mean anything. No one gets paid to play, it is recreational, it's a game. And board members get your act together, this is the players league, without us shooters you have nothing to do. Be a little more transparent, post minutes from the meetings, discuss issues with the bar owners, captains and players. This is a good league, 98% of the shooters are unaffected by this issue, so you 2% get you act together and let's move on.

Jim, i thank you for making valid points in the majority of your posts in general, but, some things u mention here are a little jaded since some of them speak about the duties that are somebody's who's related to you and who is paid way more than handsomely for such. All of your questions will be answered at length at my hearing. But I would have no problem discussing them personally with you, just not on this site, over the phone perhaps, my cell # is (215) 264-0971. I look foward to hearing from u.

I believe this hearing should be done at a nuetral bar as well considering Dan is currently flagged from O'neals. I'd see if Stonehouse is available if the board were looking. Private party room that holds up to 80.

-Chris

Eddie/jim. i more than anyone respect your opinion. and unlike others who respond to you.. i think your opinion should be heard. with that said i think this is much bigger than a fight.
i in no way support fighting in this game/sport and i have told Dan my feelings. also yes he can work on his tardyness. lol. with that said i have to disagree with you. in my opinion Dan has for the most part been very good for oedl. hopefully you show up to whatever meeting they have and hear what he has to say. then maybe you will think differnt.
you said yourself membership doubled since Dan came into the league.. coincidence?
you beg to ask what he has done as an individual? bringing a vote to be on the board was all dan and probably the most important thing in the history of your league.
i also think spoonie is good for the league and should continue to be as a sponsor, not a board member. this is a major conflict of interest.

Tim,
I think Dan as well as all the members of the board should provide some transparency as to what they do as a board. There are ten board members and I have no idea what each does or doesn't do. I probably should heve reiterated that this is not a league issue and left it at that, but as you know I have hard time stopping once I start. I also think going forward anyone who runs for the board should provide some insight as to their experience, intentions and qualifications, that way it isn't a popularity contest.
That being said, I am not running for the board, lol.

Jim, let me start off by saying that you acted in an exemplary fashion in the way you handled our quasi-disagreement by giving me a call,not bantering back and forth on this forum, and giving me a call,like a man. I think we both have a better understanding of where eachother are coming from and a deeper sense of mutual respect. With that being said, I hope not to squander said positive steps toward, but I thought ,both I ,and you,at the conclusion of our telephone conversation and your obvious reading of my response to the bod letter, that that is exactly what Ive been doing since day one in this league and certainly expressed in that letter, of my main objective of being transparent and forcing the use of more, I should not be included in any group that is anything less.

Timmy O, I am interested in hearing what conflict of interest is there by being a Board Member and a Bar Owner? I have heard this shadowy argument whispered for the last several years and it is confusing..Never are there actual accusations, just the innuendo from people who seem to have an axe to grind. As a OEDL member for over the last 18 years I played at the Dickens Inn which for many was the Yankee Stadium of Darts..5-8 teams, 15-25 people showing up on EVERY Friday Sat & Sundays...There was no better Bar to shoot at..The Dark Horse under current management never embraced the dart culture the way Mike Hardgrove (the old DIckens Inn Owner ) did and they have not had the same numbers of players shooting there. Spoonie has picked up the mantle for South St darts.

The old Dickens Inn owner used to have his management/bartenders on the board (he paid them extra to drive business to the Dickens Inn and those bartenders got more in tips). Spoonie is only one vote on the Board and with 5-6 teams its natural that others would run for the board and those members like shooting at Oneals so events get voted to be played there. What is the problem with that? Yes, the Dart banquet was too big of an event to be held there and it was changed. But what conflicts are there. He works his ass off to push the success of the OEDL. He used to have 2 maybe 3 teams every year and he now has 10%(6teams) of the league of the league playing out of his place. So other than getting a few events every year what does Spoonie on the board cause a conflict with? He also has a nice bar with full service food which many bars in our league would do well to emulate...So Timmy O please enlighten us to the "conflicts" that are rampant...

Jon, then what the old Dickens Inn did was effed up,not to mention illegal, and what's going on presently is effed up,and illegal, and neither will ever,ever,ever be allowed to happen again. Period. And I think my letter to the board as well as previous posts of mine have taken this from out of the shadows. My presence in this league has never ceased in doing just that. Oh and you need not ask Timmy, ill be your huckleberry,just show up to hearing and hear me out. I promise to leave you with no doubt about it.

I would also like the Board members who witnessed the event in question(I understand there were several with NO affiliation to ONEAls on hand) put out an official version of the events. I have heard the accounts from both party's, Cassidy online and Spoonie in person. George, Billmo and the others need to put out a statement clearing up the situation.

Dan, whats is illegal about it? I have participated on many Board committees for different non-for profit organizations, my company compensates me to do work there (was that illegal?). Of course I am working for the betterment of the organization, but that organization also benefits the business I was in....So Dan I was not aware of your new legal degree, so I wait with baited breath for the supposed illegal Board activities that you will illuminate at your hearing.
Good luck and for the record I DONT WANT TO SEE YOU THROWN OUT OF THE LEAGUE.The board is another matter that will be voted on. OEDL NEEDS DART SHOOTERS LIKE YOU. I have publicly spoken of how I was impressed with your actions in stopping a violent confrontation at the Mr. Philly shoot. You showed great restraint at that time and now it appears you made a mistake. Dan, what is absolutely illegal is assault. You have already admitted to committing that act on this website.What ever verbal sparing there may have been, free speech is protected, violence is not. I hope this works out for everyone.

Then call me, like a man, like Jim McErlean, not through a keyboard,and I'm sure we'll come to a better understanding of eachothers' opposing views. I anticipate your correspondance, my number is a couple of posts ago. Please use it.

am i correct in saying the chairman of the board who is also a bar owner/sponsor decides where the meetings are? would i be correct in saying any board member including the bar owner/sponsor that is on the board would have greater influence on where events will be held over other sponsors not on the board? if that isnt a conflict of interest then what is?
i am on the outside looking in. i like both parties involved. i have no agenda. i am very curious to see how this is handled being i am vice president of qcedl. we have been working closely with oedl and in my opinion, promoting darts in a great way.
jon can you say the same? or are your opinions conflicted since you shoot out of Oneals?
as far as the old dickens owner paying his people to bring league business to his bar is completly ridiculous! and if you knew about it and did nothing then you should be ashamed!
and with all due respect to your yankee stadium of darts... maybe you should of visited the post 211, timmys, ralphs,good time chalies, these are where the legends of Philly darts played and would make your dickens look like the trenton thunder.

Really Tim that's the Best you have? that Oneals gets 2 All-Star events per year and the occasional Board Meeting....?Well that is clear as day..IMPEACH SPOONIE.Perhaps the FBI and District Attorney can find time after they figure out whether Obama is American or not......Your argument is child like...That's the conflict you speak of? You must have more...Of course Spoonie participates on the board for the betterment of the OEDL.....but as a business owner a healthy OEDL is good for his primary job as well.....That is not a conflict of interest...that's good and customary business....


BTW Spoonie is the puppet of "the King of South Of Washington Ave" Walt Felton the true Evil Mastermind of OEDL..

There is also nothing wrong for an Owner to pay/compensate his employee to work on a Board of directors....or even to run a dart team out of the owners bar. You are naive to even say it. Of course the bartenders that ran for the board and Captained teams out of any bar are getting something for it......whether its tips or a bonus it does not matter. To give incentives to your employees to drive business to your establishment is as American as Pie and is Kosher as well...

It is if they are using one to make money from our league fund.Pa. nonprofit law speaks for itself.

actually Jon i could go on... i just gave you 2 examples. you have to be crazy not to see a conflict of interest. the board members should be doing a job that benifits every member and every sponsor... not one more than another. its the sponsors job to have a good place to play and try and bring teams to his bar not to have the board do it for him.
anyone that gets on a board to sway a vote in the direction of one sponsor or sway a vote in the direction of one player is 100% wrong and should be removed. now that we see what kind of a guy you are, for the sake of oedl please dont run for the board.
as i only gave 2 examples... any rational person would realize 1 example should be enough.

I have some Board experience in the Not for Profit (NFP) arena and, at the risk of raising my head above the parapet, I thought it would be helpful to set out some thoughts about Conflicts of Interest given some recent posts on the topic.

Disclaimer: To be abundantly clear, I make no comment on any current or past actual or possible Conflicts of Interest in the OEDL. I'm simply trying to clarify some things.

Board members may occasionally have a financial interest in a transaction/contract with their NFP. The mere existence of a financial interest does not in itself constitute a Conflict of Interest that merits censure.

Best practices dictate that when a Board member has a financial interest in a proposed arrangement with their NFP the Board member would present all material facts to the Board (including the size of the transaction) and then the Board (excluding the interested party) may determine how to proceed.

The Board’s consideration as to how to proceed typically involves assessing whether the same products/services being proposed to be provided to the NFP by the Board member could just as easily by provided by a third party on at least as advantageous commercial terms. If a third party cannot do this, then the Board – excluding the interested party – would vote on whether to proceed and would document their decision.

By following these steps a Board can easily demonstrate, if challenged, that a transaction that in some manner benefited a Board member was entered into with transparency and was not to the detriment of the organization, given available commercial alternatives.

Note that if a Board member did not disclose adequately their financial interest in a transaction then the Board would be entitled to take corrective action.

The protocols regarding financial interests and actual or potential conflicts of interests would typically be set out by the NFP in a written policy, of which many simple, free examples exist. Specifically, the IRS posts a sample Conflict of Interest policy that a NFP can tailor easily to its own needs: http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1023/ar03.html


Rob Williamson
Mac’s Tavern

Well said Rob

Jon your head is sooo far up Spoonie s ass its sickening. Timmy is correct in saying that you do nothing to promote oedl or darts

Didn't know that I needed to, with amazing classy people like you Jim all the work is done...Jim you are such a champion (darts and in life) I will reflect upon my own decisions and make changes...thanks for being my guiding light...one day I hope to be as good as you.

Jon,two things. One, these last two posts between you and Jimmy take me back to a time when darts were just darts for me, ignorance was bliss then, and I sure miss those days. Two, I'm not sure you understood fully Rob W's post, although I will agree it was well said, what was said was that those are the proper steps that must be followed to prevent conflicts of interest from being misused or misconstrued. That said, being on the board the better part of the last three years, I can assure you said steps were not taken ever, not once. The minutes of the meetings will reflect that themselves, and any " alteration " to them would be exposed from my personal collection of league minutes I have saved on my computer since I was elected to the bod. Rob showed how to cover one's ass, it will be shown in detail that one's ass was indeed never covered, and further shows the the delinquencies, inadequacies, and ultimate illeagality of board actions, ones that I have been trying to stop, and will succeed in stopping.

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Dan, I understand all to well. Your dog in this argument is not going to hunt. Unless you have something more than "Spoonie gets more than his fair share of events at his bar..." You will need concrete proof in the lines of a board member requesting kick backs or receiving kickbacks on every beer/drink sold to OEDL board members while at OEDL functions that are paid for by the OEDL.
But the crux of the matter is that your upcoming hearing is not a bully pulpit for accusations against other board members alleged "crimes". It is whether or not, did you Dan Cassidy get way too, too, hammered and physically assault another OEDL member at an OEDL function.
Quite frankly your accusations of alleged misconduct come off as the pathetic cries of a guilty party trying to swing the spotlight away from your own actions and towards another party. Like blaming a rape victim of dressing like they deserved it….Yes, some in society will agree that the victim “deserved” it but that group is typically the ignorant minority…
Also I will mention that these alleged crimes took place while you were President and only now after you stand accused of this assault do you forcibly argue that crimes occurred….that sir is SUSPECT….and if true, sounds of blackmail and extortion which is a federal crime……..

in response to one of the few people on here actually trying to promote darts.
Carnival... i will def try to make the lod on the 23rd. good luck.

Jon, you seem to be misinformed, if you read my letter to the bod you would realize that one happened way before the other. Any physicality occurred almost 3 hours after I officially requested our financial records from our treasurer, doubt me , ask him yourself. And that happened only 15 min. into my inquiry,so get Ur facts straight. Well shoot well tonite and enjoy urself, I wish I could be doing the same.

Dan, let it be known that you are a fine upsatnding member of the OEDL......who made a mistake and unfortunatly must pay the price for it.

Hey pal , you are a genius , and I treasure our friendship, why so offensive.

The edit function is an awesome tool on these forums isn't it Cassidy...

That just makes you look bad to those who saw the comments.

It took a phone call from Ireland from my brother to point out that I shouldn't do wrong what others may do wrong and that it should be removed, so I took heed.

Achilles33 wrote:

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It took a phone call from Ireland from my brother to point out that I shouldn't do wrong what others may do wrong and that it should be removed, so I took heed.

As correct as that is, with Jon's response and your additional response to him (before the edit mind you), makes jon look more like a dick than usual to those who may not have seen the original statement.

No offense Jon.

Dan, editing the remark just looks like you're doubling back so that the character witnesses presented hold water, and manipulating the board as to that. As I don't necessarily have a firm opinion of the event at hand - as personally you are okay in my book - nobody wins in this entire situation, and at present, everyone looks bad.


And thusly Jon edited his statement too. Lmfao.

You're partly right, but that was not my intention to make Jon look a bigger dick, just not to put myself in the same category. As for the opinions holding water, I believe they do and will on their lndividual merit. But id apprecciate if u gave me a call, my number is listed in a previous post.

You can save your breath, and i can save my time. I have no opinion on the matter especially since I was not involved in it. I won't have to decide anyone's fate, and for the most part feel as though both sides are likely at fault to some degree or level since at any point beforehand one of you could have (and should have) walked away if it was getting that heated - the main reason why stuff like this happens: no one knows when to stop.

I will tell you this if I run into you again. The small amount of times we've interacted I feel you are a good guy and we can shoot the shit for a while. That's about the only capacity I know of you. Wanting people to call you so that you can talk one on one with their opinions versus yours on the matter only lessens the chances and people, if there were any to begin with, to have a "retrial" of unbiased parties with no personal opinion on the matter. I've listend to spoonie, read this thread, and heard much of the goings around, and feel there are almost noone who could offer an unbiased viewpoint and consequence on the matter as of now in any capacity, and that this is going to only get drawn out while going in circles. Whatever result comes of this everyone will adapt in some way and make due with the consequences of actions or inactoins - life moves in.

Thanks. You are right in almost everything you said. The one on one phone calls just alleviate a back and forth banter that could be much more easily and quickly worked out over the phone as apposed to the keyboard and this forum, that's all. My case is tight and its elements will be self evident, I have no need to lobby,and that was not my intention. See you around and shoot well.

Same to you. Hope the dust settles from this sooner than later.

See you around.

Please let's state for the record, a 2nd offer was relayed to Dan Cassidy yesterday afternoon. In this offer- he can play darts weeks 6-10 (including being permitted back in ONeals for darts in week 10) This was to try NOT to punish Shamrock for something their other players did not do. Along with this went the following : the unofficial division 1all star becomes official, the week 5 protest would need to be rescinded, no banquet attenance and, not allowed to be on oedl board. Many feel this conflict was and is a BoD issue not as much a dart match night issue. We have not heard back from him.

Its a good playbook...

http://www.holytaco.com/five-reasons-why-youre-wrong/

Please lets state for the record no deal was offererd to me. I was told to expect a phone call offering one, but never ever received that phone call. I have received only one (1) phone call from the bod and that was on Feb. 25 at 4:30 pm from Ruben Macias in correspondence regarding this matter. There is no deal that can fix this problem, only a hearing will suffice. Please stop avoiding the inevitable and set a date and then let me know. You can not surpress the truth, the whole truth. Ive mailed my letter, emailed each bod member, and verbally requested one from Ruben in the above mentioned only phone call. You guys are dragging your feet and have been delaying so as to inconvenience me and for you to not have to face the music. It was not I who made it public, but public it shall be.

this is crazyness! you guys make "offers"???
did he not accept the 1st offer? so you counter offered? is he peyton manning?
is this the official way to handle a situation like this?

Sorry perhaps the term "offer" was not the best word for it. The return to the BoD is off the table. That is a privilege that can't salvaged here and now. What was being considered was the affect this conflict is having on shamrock div 1 team. The BoD felt that letting Shamrock have its full team available to compete for as much as possible. Its up to Dan to either play or to sit it out. The "offer" is really a motion to cease the process and get back to throwing darts. As per the rule, a player under scrutiny CAN NOT play UNTIL THIS PROCESS IS CONCLUDED OR BOD RECINS IT SUSPENSION.

if he cant shoot till the process is concluded, then whats the hold up. if he is entitled to a hearing then give the guy his hearing. doesnt he have the right to be heard?

can someone clear up the rule about fighting? does it say during league events? or during and after league events? i was under the understanding that this happened way after any league business was over?

With that in mind,when is the hearing? It seems like Dan is ready and a date should be set right?

That is coincidental. Code error happened to me too when I replied to another forum message. I think it happened because I started the post, walked away for 10 minutes and came back to try and finish and post.

No one else can administratively change anything that would require programming to the site. They can only add the score sheets and add events.

oedl wrote:
[quote]Sorry perhaps the term "offer" was not the best word for it. The return to the BoD is off the table. That is a privilege that can't salvaged here and now. What was being considered was the affect this conflict is having on shamrock div 1 team. The BoD felt that letting Shamrock have its full team available to compete for as much as possible. Its up to Dan to either play or to sit it out. The "offer" is really a motion to cease the process and get back to throwing darts. As per the rule, a player under scrutiny CAN NOT play UNTIL THIS PROCESS IS CONCLUDED OR BOD RECINS IT SUSPENSION.Sorry perhaps the term "offer" was not the best word for it. The return to the BoD is off the table. That is a privilege that can't salvaged here and now. What was being considered was the affect this conflict is having on shamrock div 1 team. The BoD felt that letting Shamrock have its full team available to compete for as much as possible. Its up to Dan to either play or to sit it out. The "offer" is really a motion to cease the process and get back to throwing darts. As per the rule, a player under scrutiny CAN NOT play UNTIL THIS PROCESS IS CONCLUDED OR BOD RECINS IT SUSPENSION.[/quote

Oedl, Jeff I presume, you guys had it right with offers and deals and whatever you want to do on the fly without consulting Pa nonprofit laws, Roberts Rules, or even our by-laws, constitution, and rules and regs. And yes, any action, especially wrong action, when shown to be so, may be RESCINDED, SPELLED LIKE THAT. When's the hearing??

Now that I have been able to register, I figured I would add my two cents. This matter has a direct impact on my team. As I've stated to the BOD Shamrock I is being penalized for this matter dragging on way too long. I read the post by OEDL that they are trying to help us with the latest compromise. But if everyone knows what needs to be done for a final resolution then just do it. Obviously Dan rejected the offer and wants a hearing. Why is this not happening? We as a team should not have to deal with this matter on a weekly basis. So in fairness to our team, who show up to shoot darts and have a good time, instead of having to file a protest every week this isn't resolved. We will not shoot till this is finalized.

Michael Remshard
Shamrock I Captain

To Shamrock captain, we want you to be able to play darts. If he plays darts everything else is another matter altogether. Mr. Cassidy could play darts now if he chooses to. Please contact Mr. Cassidy as to his willingness to play for the rest of the season for Shamrock. An appeal would be for dart suspension only, if he wants to play,there is no need for an appeal. He is not on the BoD anymore-that is not an appealable issue. Thank you for your cooperation.

cant appeal? in an earlier post Julian who is on the bod wrote "Dan has the right to appeal part and or all of these decisions, the ball is in his court"
so he can appeal? he cant appeal? he wants to be heard... he wants a hearing. you are Trying to kick the presidnt of your league off the board and your not gonna give him the right to be heard? its a pretty extreme thing to do especially since it was a non league issue.

I find it disconcerting that screen name "OEDL" is now posting league info on this matter when before it was through different board memebers personal accounts, thats you George, Julian, and Bo. So non office holding BOD members are the new mouthpiece for the board, wasn't so on my watch, the highest officer, President, speaks not only for the board, but the general membership as well. What happened to that? In my absence the next highest officer is Ruben Macias, not George, or Julian, or Bo, you guys gotta get your act together and start doing right by this league and its members. And please acquaint yourselves with the proper pertinent information on these matters and their proper procedures, before spouting off misstatements, which is a breach of duty, on matters you obviously don't fully understand that are confusing and misinforming the general membership, which is the antithesis of your obligations to this league and its shooters.

Nobody wins in this... not even the children...


For god's sake... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

Dan, no offense but I think your "presidency" is kind of in question at the moment. When the president of the league has legal issues pending that could easily cost him in terms of his real life (as opposed to just dart league issues - which should really pale in comparison in this situation) and those legal issues are directly related to the league itself (no matter what way you slice it - even if you just look at it in terms of the league members as individuals outside of the league) I would think he's not really in a position to be making demands at the moment. For your own sake, in my opinion at least, it just doesn't do anything good and actually comes across as you trying to pull anything out of the closet that may benefit you as if this is just some kind of mere power struggle for control of the league. But clearly, if the law is involved that kinda trumps darts. I would think there is now a posting under "OEDL" so it that's in a more official matter.

To the Shamrock I captain, shouldn't you mad at Dan at all for his actions having a direct impact on your team? And would anyone care this much if this involved an average division 7 shooter? I would say no.

Mike, I thank you for you advice and suggestions, but it makes me wonder if you ever read my letter to the bod at all, or if you did maybe you need to refresh yourself with what it really says and is really about. This is about righting the wrongs of the league for all members from all bars so that nothing like this happens again and the league will have its abilility to flourish and grow,and spend its money, in a way that benefits all involved, even if that is without any further involvement on my part. As for pending legal issues, the board as a whole and one member in particular are in violation of multiple laws concerning their collective fiduciary duties. And that is what this entire fiasco sprung from, which some seem to forget, and one certainly happened and was happening as the other occurred and is probably the catalyst for the latter of the two. This league does not need a chairman who owns a bar, one conflict of interest, with two employees,one current one former,and a spouse, two more, to use and abuse that scenario to misappropriate OUR league funds to serve their collective needs that are financially conflicted and illegal. We all know it, I just got the stones to not only say it, but actually do something about it. I would never misinform our congregation as to legal facts. The board did not handle any of this right. If anything I'll save someone the trouble that I'm dealing with now from the same bs in the future. Not everyone returns home from war, that certainly doesn't make them any less of a hero, maybe even more so, especially since they were willing to sacrifice themselves for the betterment of all.

Ohhh, I am so bored with this. I won't be reading anymore of this thread.